Heh, playing with nuance is a risky gambit on these forums. I still think he's a guy who makes sense in particular situations.
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My hot take for whatever it's worth.
Should have won that game. We gave up 3 soft goals tonight, one of which was lucky enough to be overturned. But we could have scored 5.
Harrison had a mediocre game. The subs didn't help and we looked gassed at the end of the second half.
It looks like a coaching issue.
The bigger issue I see really is that we're very one dimensional in our attack. It's very formulaic. Almost asking teams to try and beat us on it.
Build out the back, pass it to the middle, then out to the wings for a run in the corner and hope for a connected pass. We really need to try to vary our attack somehow.
And yes RJ is a liability and TMac isn't fast enough. And on and on and on.
Should have won that game. We gave up 3 soft goals tonight, one of which was lucky enough to be overturned. But we could have scored 5.
Harrison had a mediocre game. The subs didn't help and we looked gassed at the end of the second half.
It looks like a coaching issue.
The bigger issue I see really is that we're very one dimensional in our attack. It's very formulaic. Almost asking teams to try and beat us on it.
Build out the back, pass it to the middle, then out to the wings for a run in the corner and hope for a connected pass. We really need to try to vary our attack somehow.
And yes RJ is a liability and TMac isn't fast enough. And on and on and on.
On the plus side, Maxi looked fine on the left wing for the 10 or so minutes he was out there. Johnson was a monster. Sweat and RJ did well offensively until we gave up midfield.
You crack me up with the subtle jabs. You do know that's what people remember, right?
I prefer outright and forthcoming disagreement. I spit the lukewarm from my mouth.
In other words, if you want to say something, say it. You've been pansy ass passive aggressively insulting people all week. Step up and spit it or sit down and swallow it.
We can blame viera for the tie and not holding the lead all we want (and I agree) but even if we won this game I would have said we played like shit and didn't look good
That seems like pretty poor reasoning for telling someone to "fuck off" for somebody who has shown glimpses of good reasoning.
See, I can do somewhat-backhanded compliments too
And? Our first team can beat any team in the league. They won that game until Vieira lost it for them. Who out of those starters gets replaced besides TMac when Wallace comes back and RJ who never should have started in place of White? The biggest complaint on the boards from the minority has been about Pirlo not playing, and he wouldn't have outplayed any of Ring, Hererra, or Maxi tonight - those guys were golden. TMac was horrible and it'd have been a different game with Wallace or anybody else that can sprint normally and chase down those balls.
I never said to pull any of those players out or that Pirlo nescessarily had to come in. I said we need to try something different because the lineup that we put out there is not good enough to win the cup. Tonight again showed that.
Fair enough. I like you. That's why I want you to just come out with it. Don't bow your posts to the lowest common denominator. Just own it. Your opinion has value. No need to pussyfoot about.That seems like pretty poor reasoning for telling someone to "fuck off" for somebody who has shown glimpses of good reasoning.
See, I can do somewhat-backhanded compliments too
Oh, and can we stop giving up goals in the first 10 minutes, please?! I mean give us a fucking break!
Hmm. I'm not a fan of passive aggression either, so I think you're just misinterpreting me. I've been trying to bolster the attacked without dealing attacks to the attackers, because I don't think you can win peace by waging war. As such, I actually don't want to insult anybody. Shocking, right?
Maybe I just need to express myself more plainly:
- For a forum that claims to welcome disagreement, we do a good job of discouraging it by being aggressive, mocking and openly frustrated towards it.
- We tend to trash players and think of their worth in absolutes, rather than thinking of their worth relative to both alternatives and situations. It's both cruel and reductive.
What are you talking about??? Those players got the lead and didn't give Toronto the ball. It's the players Vieira brought on that lost the lead. We lose every lead/game when we stop playing offensive football. If we use Baseball terms, this was a blown save on the subs. The starters cannot and should not be blamed for losing 2pts.
Well, if it were only one game, maybe not. But tonight was just Tommy being Tommy. He's not good. For anything.
I'm so damn sick of seeing him play. He brings nothing to the squad. Literally, nothing. The sooner he's out of here, the better.
Dude, RJ and Tommy weren't good tonight. Much of the team was a bit sloppy. I sat there and watched it with my own eyes.
RJ should not be starting. Ever.
RJ should not be starting. Ever.
Well, RJ and Tommy are absolutely terrible. Don't see anyway to disagree with that.
RJ makes me literally sick. He's a level of shit that embarrasses me as a supporter. Tommy is just generalized shit.
So you think we were playing well before the subs? I'm sorry but I look at the game as a whole and not just the score line. We were sloppy as hell against a second rate team. And out starters did plenty of bad way before and after the subs came in. We have had games where I think we were the better team and lost and we've had games where we've been the worse team and won. Which is why I say stats don't always tell you the whole picture. Our play was poor before we game up the game tying goal.
If the situation is no other option then I agree he's the below average MLS back up we have to go with. But aside from badly loosing a foot race the Jason Hernandez TMac lost possession at least 6 times tonight standing flat footed waiting for the ball to come to him as the defender rushed past completely unabated and intercepted the pass.
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They definitely can. But this is a game where results are not strongly correlated with ability.
I have a few ideas about how we can make a better lineup out of our roster when Wallace is out, but I don't think anyone is arguing that we didn't put the best team out there. I think people are arguing that the best team that we can put out there is not a lock for Supporters' Shield or MLS Cup.
Herrera was just OK tonight. He is raw. He has amazing moments of intuition and ability but lacks composure in key moments and does a better job of reacting to threats than controlling the game at this point in his arc. Also, I'm not saying Pirlo for any of those three, I'm saying Pirlo for Tommy, at least while Wallace is out.
Yup, and Toronto were missing basically half of their starters.
We were lucky to take the lead.
I have some ifs too: if Spencer doesn't completely blow that header, it's not offside. If Giovinco doesn't miss that cross from Morgan, we're 2-0 or 2-1 down at half-time. If Maxi's shot doesn't take a lucky deflection, we never take the lead. If Toronto scores 2 or 3 of their 5 or 6 chances in the last 25 minutes, instead of just the 1, we get nothing from this game. Back to the top of the post – this is a game where results are not strongly correlated with ability.
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